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Is It OK To Fudge About Residency So Kids Can Go To A Certain School?

A lot of metro Atlanta schools are overcrowded, and Patch wants to know if you think some families aren't entirely truthful when it comes to filling out residence records.


Every parent wants the best education for their kids. But are some parents willing to tweak their legal residency so their children go to a certain school?

The Atlanta Public School System is investigating a series of possibly fradulent enrollments at Grady High School. After auditing enrollment records throughout the district, school system officials determined that Grady’s enrollment is higher than anticipated. And the system said it wants to “ensure that students currently attending Grady are there appropriately.”

Burgeoning enrollment is also a major issue in Decatur, where that system's enrollment is 10 percent more this year than last year.

And in 2011, an especially big jump in enrollment led to outrage among parents of Oakhurst Elementary-zoned kindergarteners, who were told their children would have to attend another school because of overcrowding. This incident came right as the APS cheating investigation was ending.

And just after the APS went through a hugely divisive redistricting and school closure debate, comes news that Inman Middle School is badly overcrowded. All options are on the table when it comes to addressing the problem, including moving sixth or eighth graders to vacant buildings in the Old Fourth Ward, or building a new middle school entirely.

Patch wants to know: is it wrong for parents to falsify their residency so their kids can attend a different school from the one in which they are zoned? Does it bother you that some overcrowding could be the result of families not being truthful about their legal residence?

Related Topics:

APS To Investigate Possible Fradulent Enrollment At Grady.

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Edwards On School Overcrowding.

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Me October 4, 2012 at 02:15 pm
The parents are more than welcome to move into the district. It's a free country. Suck it up and buy a smaller house or, (gasp) rent an apartment to get your child in the district you want. Stop the whining and the lying. Play by the rules.
Me October 4, 2012 at 02:15 pm
Amen!!
Karen October 4, 2012 at 02:18 pm
What isn't fair is that the other APS high schools are so awful! We spent more time, effort, and money *just* to find an affordable home in the Grady school district. We could have purchased a much nicer and larger home in Grant Park if we were willing to send our daughter to Maynard Jackson. Since we spent months of turmoil looking for and finally securing a home in the school district we wanted, it feels really unfair for people to lie about residency and get away with it.
Karen October 4, 2012 at 02:18 pm
Absolutely.
Dave October 4, 2012 at 02:28 pm
Lying is lying is lying regardless of what you call it. If you want your kids to go to a better public school then move into that school district. Don't teach your kids that dishonesty is acceptable. If schools in your district aren't what you want then work to improve them, and if you aren't working to do you have no one to blame but yourself!
shane October 4, 2012 at 03:02 pm
@ Karen lol if you moved to Atlanta for Grady you might want to move again lol .. elementary and middle schools here are amazing but once our kid goes to high school its time to go private or move. I drove by the other day and thought there was a martin luther king memorial.
Karen October 4, 2012 at 03:14 pm
@Shane, I didn't move to Atlanta for Grady High. I knew I was moving to Atlanta and we wanted to live in one of the in-town neighborhoods for various reasons.The school district lines only served to further narrow our search parameters.
Monty October 4, 2012 at 03:16 pm
No it is completely inappropriate to teach your children to lie, cheat and steal and even worse to pass it off as trying to give your children "advantages". Living on Kings Hwy right by Renfro Middle you see lots of parents dropping off their kids at someone's house near the school and often the home owner brings out something like a phone bill which is supposed to legitimize the lie. As a tax payer with no children I pay over $3 grand a year in school taxes, so these people are stealing from me. If Decatur and Atlanta school districts aren't going to inforce residency then what is to stop someone like myself from "selling" my slot in the school system?
HELLO October 4, 2012 at 03:19 pm
Do like Fayette Co which has one of the best school systems in GA make parents show a utility bill with their name and address that is all school admin would have to do if they wanted this to stop! Simple!
atltraveler October 4, 2012 at 04:36 pm
Short answer: NO. Long answer: still NO, but APS needs to give families that live in the underpreforming schools districts a better option. One suggestion is to set up a Morningside or SPARK type magnate school (in their own neigborhoods) that can cater to the familes that care strongly about education, alleviating the need to send their kids to our neighborhood schools.
FreddieK October 4, 2012 at 04:37 pm
sz - it's where the kid REALLY lives, not where one parent lives. School & community work hand-in-hand.
FreddieK October 4, 2012 at 04:39 pm
What a horrible example for any children you might bring into this world. Same attitude about crack? How about texting and driving? How about teen drinking?
Barbara Baggerman October 4, 2012 at 05:08 pm
Huh?? Of COURSE there's shame and blame in that. It's lying and cheating and stealing. Some of you apparently are new enough in the Grady area to assume it has always been affluent and the schools have always been great. Not true! The urban pioneers were making this area a cool place to live while most people were fleeing to the 'burbs. The success of our efforts drew the affluence back in; now they just swoop in assuming it's always been this way. No; we had to build it. We here in the Grady district did the work to make our schools great, to make them a place where affluent families are willing to send their kids. It didn't just automagically happen and it wasn't the school board or APS who made it happen; it was the parents and the community, willing to risk sending their kids to dubious schools and support those schools to make them better. Those living in other districts should be doing the same for their schools rather than mooching a free ride off our efforts. Maybe the people at CINS can put you in touch with some of the past great PTA and neighborhood leaders who can give you a road map on how to create good schools and community.
Mary October 4, 2012 at 05:20 pm
LOL, that means the parents would actually have to put out effort. Take a look at the huge investment of time and talent it took from the neighborhood residents to make that happen. It's much easier to mouch off the efforts of others and drop the kid off to lie and learn life lessons.
A Decatur Mom October 4, 2012 at 05:25 pm
City Schools of Decatur enforces residency strictly these days. That may not have been true 5-10 years ago but it is now. Everyone is so aware of the rules now, crowding is such an issue, and CSD is still such a small community, that you cannot get away with much. Be careful about stereotyping. I've made the mistake of thinking a kid I've never seen before didn't belong to Renfroe only to find out that it was the recently adopted child of an Emory employee who has lived and paid taxes in the City of Decatur for years.
There's many reasons for bona fide residents to be doing the dropping off you see. Kids like to walk together. Working parents need a place for their kids to wait until school starts. Kids are running late and miss the bus or can't walk in time. Etc.
Nik October 4, 2012 at 05:26 pm
To "Me", I believe you misunderstood my post. However, I wasn't speaking on my behalf. I personally don't think APS is a better school system. My child participates in the Magnet Program. Instead of lying what I did was found a better program in my district. Now that is not without sacrifices, because we are up very early in the mornings for shuttles. However, it is unfair, because his neighborhood school isn't the same caliber. My point is ALL SCHOOLS should be the SAME. Why are they different? Why should I uproot my family for an apartment that may be in an unsafe neighborhood? I only said what I said to give you insight into what other parents might be going through. THE SYSTEM isn't fair no matter how you would like to spin it. Everyone wants to say lying is wrong; yes it is! However, I don't believe there is one person on this post that can say they have never lied. Whether is was for the right or wrong reason a lie is a lie and no one can say that haven't told one. Again, IF ALL THE SCHOOLS WERE THE SAME, there wouldn't be a reason to lie about where you live. Your child would have the same education as the wealthy.
Ivan October 4, 2012 at 06:01 pm
Why not - Errol Davis has modeled lying and cheating and the parents see what he has done and figure why not? What did he do? Conducted a very public above board redistricting but decided to punt on the issue most important to the Grady cluster (middle school is overcrowded). Then when the Board and neighborhoods weren't looking, he made a unilateral decision that wasn't approved by the board and didn't seek input from the neighborhoods. When is the AJC or WSB going to pick up this story and run with it? Or even better, why isn't SACS looking into this?
Chris Murphy October 4, 2012 at 06:04 pm
Out of my daughter's MS class of 50, probably 30 or so were zoned for Jackson HS. She & 2 others enrolled there (she also could have gone to Carver EC, but we didn't feel good about the spin we heard there). She's done well there, and likes it there although we both have many (some, disturbing) complaints. I became heavily involved, and other parents who saw Jackson- or moving, or lying- coming at them have organized and been a great help, and been on the BOE constantly. We have seen large improvements, and with a new principal on the way, we expect those improvements to continue and be just the start.
As for those who lied, they chose their bed. They lost my respect for that, but also for leaving my daughter + 2 to their own devices, when a concerted action was called for. I don't know what their kids think, but I know what my daughter saw, and what she learned. She's better off for it.
Chris Murphy October 4, 2012 at 06:08 pm
Some kids also went to Decatur HS, all on the up-and-up, their parents paying tuition. At least those had the fortitude and character to also step up and do right by their kids, as they saw it, in an honest way.
Chris Murphy October 4, 2012 at 06:12 pm
Errol Davis has been the best leader this town has ever had.
Barbara Baggerman October 4, 2012 at 06:14 pm
Excuse me?? Am I reading this right? It sounds as though you're assuming Grady is a bad school because you saw a lot of black faces?! I pity such uninformed ignorance. Grady has truly phenomenal, smart, talented kids of all races; and yes, many of them are black. Those who value Grady consider that a positive thing, not a negative. (Personally, I would worry more about the bad influence of a school full of spoiled rich white kids who've had everything handed to them.)
Yes, I do understand the trepidation about entering a predominantly black school when you're not used to it. It can be a leap of faith. It's just fear of the unknown, amplified by negative stereotypes. But you'd be amazed how quickly that evaporates once you see that people are just people and get to know them on an individual basis. Before long you know which kids are the debate stars, the academic stars, the music and theatre talents, the gifted artists, the robotics geeks, etc., etc. Delightful, funny, friendly, smart, hard-working, awesome kids. Get over your racial fear of the unknown and you will find something wonderful. My two sons were successful, happy, and well-adjusted at Grady, and continue to be so in college. We are blessed that we chose to support our neighborhood schools. We love Grady.
HELLO October 5, 2012 at 04:52 am
@Barbara Baggerman and whoever else. Barbara Baggerman is 100 percent correct in the 70's & 80's Atlanta went thru "white flight" people were moving to the burb's left and right Cobb, Fayette, Douglas even Clayton county at that time, then the Olympics came in 1996 and you saw gentification in came an influx of new urban pioneer's who have made that area what it is today. Like she said why cant you take the initiative and improve your property values, neighborhood schools and services in the area. The problem is that no one wants to sacrifice or "sow any seeds" you just want to live in this uptoia world of well maybe if my kids go to a good school then maybe they will be smart but school, learning, teaching or whatever you want to call it starts at home. The truth of the matter is if you as a parent are involved in your kids education and give them 110% everyday it doesnt matter what school they attend but if you want to halfway do your job as a parent then you have no one to blame but yourself as a parent and not the school.
FJ October 5, 2012 at 11:05 am
I am thrilled that APS is finally addressing this issue. They have set up an email address and an anonymous hotline to report these cheaters. Do you think that any of these families are volunteering in the schools or donating money to run the programs that make these schools more desirable than the others? NO. They are sneaking around and trying to stay off the radar, and they are teaching their children to do the same thing. They are sending the message that it is okay to take what isn't rightfully theirs. I encourage everyone to report the cheaters so we can see what our overcrowding issue really is. http://www.atlantapublicschools.us/cms/lib/GA01000924/Centricity/Domain/1/APS%20enforcing%20student%20enrollment%20in%20zoned%20schools.pdf
Barbara Baggerman October 5, 2012 at 06:57 pm
Actually I was referring to the urban pioneers of the '70s & early '80s who moved into these 'hoods as white-flighters left: young hippies and college grads who liked the ambiance of older neighborhoods with unique character as opposed to the conformist suburbs they grew up in. Unconcerned about "changing" neighborhoods, they were happy to fill the vacuum left by those who were. Didn't mind that houses and shops were old and run-down; liked being around cool people and cool things to do. They rented houses and apartments, eventually buying and fixing them up. They started food, clothing, hardware stores, restaurants, nightclubs. Started having kids, sent them to neighborhood schools, and volunteered at those schools to ensure the things they wanted for their kids were provided. They formed neighborhood associations to look out for community interests. Their efforts are what turned this area into the most desirable locale in Atlanta.
The vibe started changing a bit with the advent of late '80s Yuppie-dom, when things started to go upscale; but intown living was still one of Atlanta's best-kept secrets. The '96 Olympics boosted the downtown area, but didn't have much effect on NE intown neighborhoods, which already had been undergoing gentrification for 15 years by then. This model could easily be duplicated in the Jackson High cluster today, with the talent and energy of the young people moving into the eastside neighborhoods; they're much like we were 30 years ago.
Sharon Foster Jones October 6, 2012 at 06:09 pm
Of course, it's wrong to lie. And as a mother of 3 APS kids, I know it's not just a simple "lie." It takes many documents - a calculated whopper -- to get your child in a different school than he's supposed to be in. Also, the reason the schools are not the same as they are supposed to be across the city is that the parents in the better school districts put lots of money and time into their schools. It's sad that the worse schools don't have that kind of parental involvement, but it's not APS's fault. It's a reflection of how the unfortunate lower classes don't have the time, money, or knowledge on how to make a public school work better for its students.
Nik - It's "supposed." Shane - You're a racist.
Tom October 7, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Just ask Steven Alford the so so colorblind leader he and Errol Davis are. I hope to god the GA Charter schools takeover I am sick of sending 60 percent of mt taxes down the drain with leaders like Alford....and Davis what losers.
another comment October 8, 2012 at 05:11 pm
I lost $300 K to sell my house and get in a better school district. I then had to buy the worst house in the district.
The contradiction of the free lunch numbers and the area don't make sence. One week my 12 year old comes home and says mom, why are so many kids getting free lunch. I answer they are lying, because they can't live in this zoned area and only make the $22K cut off. Then this week she said you know alot of kids don't even live in the district, I said yes I know. This morning, I followed one in an all decked out aqua blue Thunderbird ( are they re-issuing those or was it restored) convertable) with Dekalb County plates. Black women all decked out. Gee how could I have guessed.
Tom Doolittle October 8, 2012 at 07:43 pm
Aside from this thread:
Free lunch numbers are high because the school system wants high free lunch numbers. Free Title 1 funding is HUGE. BTW--DeKalb has the "residency fraud" issue also. (1) DeKalb's better school zones actually take in Gwinnett students coming from areas with lower housing values. Why? Because they can't get away with residency fraud in Gwinnett. (2) DeKalb was a willing recipient for the "Clayton Diaspora" while other counties had Sheriff Deputies checking out residency. (3) DeKalb filled empty desks and supported motel businesses with welcome arms for Katrina victims. Fair or unfair--complicated--but our better schools' new classrooms are already over capacity.
Patricia October 18, 2012 at 04:27 am
No one in this world today gets treated equally and this is so sad but it is true,the one that I know that treats everyone equally is God himself
Patricia October 18, 2012 at 04:32 am
God treats all of his people equally because he has no favorites

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